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DVSP4 Launch Date Announced
Posted: 24 June 2009 12:58 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Following a huge development effort, we are delighted to announce that Dynamite VSP 4.0 will be officially launched on Tuesday 30th June 2009 - yes just one week to go until you can run Dynamite VSP in 64-bit 3ds Max & Max Design.  And we think you’ll like it…

The most important thing to be aware of concerning this release, is that Dynamite VSP 4.0 will support the following versions of 3ds Max and Max Design:

- Autodesk 3ds Max 2009 32-bit
- Autodesk 3ds Max 2009 64-bit
- Autodesk 3ds Max Design 2009 32-bit
- Autodesk 3ds Max Design 2009 64-bit
- Autodesk 3ds Max 2010 32-bit
- Autodesk 3ds Max 2010 64-bit
- Autodesk 3ds Max Design 2010 32-bit
- Autodesk 3ds Max Design 2010 64-bit

If you are still using an older version of 3ds Max, please contact us or your local Autodesk reseller for information on how to upgrade.

More news will appear on the main 3am Solutions web site shortly.

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Posted: 01 July 2009 10:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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1) First of all…Good Job goes for DVSP team !!. At last…64bit support (and many many other improvements) wink
2) New community site layout is quite interesting too…some fresh breeze on our LCD’s
3) Will our (so far made) 32bit projects work with new 64bit DVSP 4 installed on 64bit XP together with 64bit 3DS MAX ??
3) Do we have to change our installed NLM to “NLM v2” and request new license file ??

4) I will post more question as far as I will put my hands on fresh new DVSP 4 Cd box wink

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Posted: 01 July 2009 01:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Krzysztof - 01 July 2009 10:39 AM

Will our (so far made) 32bit projects work with new 64bit DVSP 4 installed on 64bit XP together with 64bit 3DS MAX ??

Yes, you’ll be able to freely move scenes back and forwards. Both versions of DVSP are on the same CDROM. It simply detects whether you are running 32bit or 64bit 3ds Max and installs the correct version of DVSP accordingly.  If you have both versions of 3ds Max installed, both 32-bit and 64-bit DVSP will be installed.

Krzysztof - 01 July 2009 10:39 AM

Do we have to change our installed NLM to “NLM v2” and request new license file ??

Yes, it’s a new licensing system entirely - although to users it looks very similar.  All the extensive licensing changes that were required to support 64-bit 3ds Max are mostly “under the hood”.  DVSP4 will simply ignore the old licensing system and start fresh, so the old DynLM installation can be removed entirely if desired.

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Posted: 23 July 2009 08:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Where can do you download DVSP4 from?

I can’t see any links to it.

Cheers

Curtis

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Posted: 27 July 2009 08:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Hi Curtis,

It’s available from:

http://www.3am-solutions.com/support/downloads.asp

You should have also received your DVSP4 DVD by now?

Best regards,

Bruce

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Posted: 27 July 2009 08:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Yes I’ve got the DVD now, Geoff from Bentley dropped it off last Thursday.

Cheers

Curtis

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Posted: 05 August 2009 09:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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As we all know Windows 7 is based on VISTA core. Windows 7 core version is 6.1 and Vista is 6.0. So…DVSP 4 is compatible with VISTA…does it mean that it is also compatible with Windows 7 ??

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Posted: 05 August 2009 09:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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That is the intention, yes.

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Posted: 09 August 2009 09:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Krzysztof - 05 August 2009 09:06 AM

As we all know Windows 7 is based on VISTA core. Windows 7 core version is 6.1 and Vista is 6.0.

If by core you mean kernel, yes. But the W7 kernel has also received some parts that previously were Vista but were taken from -the much more stable, IMHO- Windows 2008 (Server Core). But the versions don’t mean all that much since NT4 to XP was a 4.0 to 5.0, XP itself later saw a 5.1, etc. The W7 kernel also received a lot of changes where it matters a lot for the future (more cores, more threading) in a completely redesigned spinlock and dispatcher. Those changes alone would warrant a version jump from 6.0 to 7.0 if you ask me. Then again, I might be too excited about the possibility of running 128 cores! grin

But the bottom line is that the version numbers shouldn’t be taken as an indicator for compatibility in a general sense. With DVSP we made sure key parts were tested against the available W7 beta’s and I don’t see a reason for compatibility issues but since W7 has yet to -at least officially- hit the streets it’ll be up to the quick adopters to report on any serious issues. Compatibility of other applications, however, might be a completely different matter, especially if they are a little older and have not undergone any W7 testing and/or required changes.

My experiences with some massive installs the past week on the W7 version that’ll be shipping in October is that I have found very few compatibility issues so far but there were a few applications that didn’t work (some of those related to drivers they wish to install and the lack of signed drivers for x64 W7 specifically). So far everything that worked on XP and Vista appears to work fine for me on W7. The real problem area for older applications may not even be the software itself but rather the installers they use. Many installers leave a lot to be desired and perform hard checks on the OS version and often look at the minor version only. Those will report that they won’t install on W7 because it’s an unsupported OS, or some error message along those lines. I encountered a few. After stripping the installers and doing a few quick repackaging tests I found that there’s nothing wrong except the installers. There’s a warning going out from some of the Microsoft guys on this, asking developers to stop doing this kind of version checking.

My personal view on W7 is that it’s the “best service pack for Vista since SP1”. grin But I also wouldn’t encourage anyone to become an early adopter or get rid of Vista (or XP) just yet if it serves your purposes. There’s a lot to be determined when W7 really gets onto the desktops in a little while and I’d be cautious about making any OS jumps too soon. Having said that, I’m in the process of moving most of my workstations to W7 (and doing some interesting boot-from-VHD stuff to support “less virtual and more hardware” without the hassles of dual booting and partitioning). The performance I’ve been seeing is well above the Vista level and more closely to what XP had. In part that is also due to the better memory cache handling in W7 that just seemed awfully “broken” in Vista (sucking up every byte of RAM to cache too much and making systems slower while it was intended to make them run smoother instead). Driver support has also been a blessing because no longer do I need to manually inject Adaptec RAID drivers into ISO’s to slipstream custom unattended installers for the OS or use USB sticks with drivers during the initial installation process.

The only warning I can give about W7 is for anyone running onboard ICHxR RAID with 6 or more disks. Stay away from W7 in any RAID mode (0, 1, 10, 5) on those boards. There seems to be something really wrong with the drivers or something because W7 will freeze up several times a day (leading to nasty and lengthy RAID rebuild cycles). I encountered this on two similar (not identical) systems using ICH9R and ICH10R. Systems that run fine with XP and Vista but seems to completely misbehave in the worst possible way with W7. The only solution here seems to be to either wait until this gets resolved or get a real RAID controller and not hook anything up to the local IHCxR ports (thereby not needing the driver support for it and thus not receiving unintended RAID response timeouts that freeze the system).

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Posted: 09 August 2009 11:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Thanks !

Very usefull information. Especialy last one about ICHXR raid. I’ve got 6 hdd (two arrays: 4 hdd raid 10 and 2 hdd in raid 1). I will wait with W7 installation until final version will appear.

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Posted: 09 August 2009 11:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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Krzysztof - 09 August 2009 11:03 PM


Very usefull information. Especialy last one about ICHXR raid. I’ve got 6 hdd (two arrays: 4 hdd raid 10 and 2 hdd in raid 1). I will wait with W7 installation until final version will appear.

Uh Oh…

The reason for that “uh oh” is that the problem I’ve described is with the final (RTM) version of W7. The very same one that’s gone out for release to the public.

What type of motherboard is it?

The board I ran into serious trouble with is an Asus P6T Deluxe (V2) which is an i7/1366 board with onboard RAID (it’s waiting for an Adaptec controller to resolve the problem).

The system next to it is also a P6T Deluxe (not V2). The drivers for this board are byte-by-byte the same as the V2 but it has an Adaptec 51245 RAID card in it and nothing attached to the ICHR. The same W7 build runs fine on it.

Another system I just reinstalled with W7 (finished with that a few hours ago) is an Asus P5Q WS. The disks are on an Adaptec 2820SA RAID controller but as a test I disconnected 6 of the drives on there and put them on the ICHR and installed W7 on it (4 in RAID5, 2 in RAID0). The same freezing problems occurred. That’s why I’m convinced it’s a driver/ICHR issue that must have slipped by.

And even one more, a system with an Asus P5E WS Pro. The disks are on an Areca ARC-1220LP controller. I took 6 off, same config (4 in RAID5, 2 in RAID0) on the onboard ICHR. The system has frozen up only once but I managed to regain control over it again (after 2 or 3 minutes). I don’t know if it was the same issue but it looked like it. It’s too soon to tell but I have a feeling it’ll freeze up before the end of tomorrow. I also have a gut feeling it’ll run just fine when it’s all back on the Areca controller.

If you’re going W7 while this situation isn’t fixed or looked at I suggest making a reliable image backup (Ghost, Trueimage, etc.) so you can easily put the existing OS back onto it without completely hosing the system.

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Posted: 11 August 2009 12:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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I’m using ASUS P6T motherboard which is an i7/1366 board with onboard RAID. So…it seems I’m gonna have the same problem…but in the near future I’m going to switch to Supermicro X8DA3 dual Xeon platform which has integrated LSI SAS1068E controller.

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Posted: 11 August 2009 04:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Krzysztof - 11 August 2009 12:53 AM

I’m using ASUS P6T motherboard which is an i7/1366 board with onboard RAID. So…it seems I’m gonna have the same problem…but in the near future I’m going to switch to Supermicro X8DA3 dual Xeon platform which has integrated LSI SAS1068E controller.

Oh, in that case, definitely wait with W7 on the P6T!

FWIW, SuperMicro has some really amazing boards but for RAID5 support on their SAS stuff you need to make sure you order the option ROM “button” that enables it (otherwise it only supports RAID0, 1, and 10). Also, if you’re not 100% fixed on that particular board yet you might want to look around at other RAID controllers. My experiences with LSI (in terms of performance) have not been great, especially compared to the SAS (and SATA) RAID controllers from Adaptec and Areca. Given that onboard SAS usually adds about as much to the motherboard price as a single controller for 6 or 8 ports does. The additional advantage of the higher-end Areca or Adaptec controllers is the cache memory and BBU, both of which aren’t part of most of the onboard SAS controller ASIC’s. It might be worth it to check around a bit.

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Posted: 11 August 2009 07:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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Thx Stefan for your input. You are a good deposit of knowledge as far as servers/workstation hardware is concerned smile. I do not need RAID 5…only 1 and 10. From my researches on supermicro www site I found that all Xeon 5520 (Tylersburg) ServerBoards with additional RAId controller uses LSI. So I will try:

X8DAi - same as X8DA3 but without LSI.

and buy adaptec or areca RAID controller with 8 internal SAS ports with PCI-e x4 or x8 bus (unfortunately this mobo does not have 64bit PCI-X slots). Do you have any suggestions about those controllers, (favourite one??, cheap and good smile)


How would you compare those ARECA to ADAPTEC:

ARC-1220         vs   ADAPTEC ???
ARC-1230         vs   ADAPTEC ???
ARC-1231ML   vs   ADAPTEC ???


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Posted: 11 August 2009 08:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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Krzysztof - 11 August 2009 07:55 PM

Do you have any suggestions about those controllers, (favourite one??, cheap and good smile)

Sure! grin

Though, if you’re not going to run RAID5 or RAID6 the difference between the different controllers becomes less of an issue. It’s the parity calculations for 5 and 6 that are more demanding than RAID10. None for RAID0, of course. The faster the chip on the RAID card is the faster it can do the parity, hence the range (in price and models) that run from 400Mhz processors to 1.2Ghz.

When it comes to pure performance I prefer Areca over anything else. But when it comes to driver support (and other support in general) I prefer Adaptec. The only thing I really dislike about Adaptec is that they don’t put fans on their high-end controllers. They should because those processors on there run *hot* (right now I’m looking at one peaking at 54C degrees! and that’s with an additional slot cooler I managed to stuff in there to keep it from running at 68C). So with Adaptec it’s worth getting a slot cooler in there that can suck some hot hair from near the card. This may also depend on general environmental temperature. Right now it’s a bit hot where I am sitting.

I’ve been moving from Areca to Adaptec mostly because I’ve run into compatibility issues with some disks (it didn’t like certain models of the 1TB Samsung range, kept kicking out disks in the array for no reason). With Adaptec I’ve never ran into those problems so I think Areca is a bit more picky when it comes to the actual models of the disks. Another reason is that driver support is generally better (I use a lot of PE-CD and PE-USB solutions for emergency restore of images and Adaptec drivers are usually support or easy to integrate without spending hours doing slipstreams). And another reason; I can take a set of disks from any Adaptec controller, hook them to any other Adaptec controller and it recognizes the array if all the disks are together, even if they are on different ports. With Areca I once had to do that in an emergency situation and it failed the entire array.

But when it comes to pure speed, Areca always wins, there’s just no contest. On the other hand, when it comes to RAID0, most cards will give you more performance than the bus can handle so the limitation factor is no longer the # of disks/RAID level/etc. but rather the system itself.

One thing to avoid is the Adaptec 2820SA controller if you want to use Velociraptor disks. With four or more of those the card starts acting up, losing disks in the array every hour or two. Drove me crazy for a week.

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How would you compare those ARECA to ADAPTEC:

ARC-1220   vs ADAPTEC ???
ARC-1230   vs ADAPTEC ???
ARC-1231ML vs ADAPTEC ???

Any of those Areca’s is faster than the fastest controller Adaptec has. I wouldn’t want to compare them by model since there’s a lot of other differences like I described that might be more (or less) important depending on the purpose of the RAID controller.

The Adaptec RAID 51xxx series are currently my preferred model. I’m waiting for an 3805 to arrive which I suspect won’t be as fast as the 51xxx ones but should probably do a decent enough job. I’ve got some 1220’s and 1230’s and given the choice I’d prefer the 1230. Not because it has a few more ports but because the cache is an SO-DIMM that you can swap out for a larger one. I swapped mine for a 1GB DIMM and it’s a noticeable performance increase when copying large amounts of data over the network (especially when using gigabit jumbo frames and the SMB2 in Vista, W7, W2008). A friend of mine did the same thing with a 2GB DIMM so it seems there’s enough of a reason to go a little bigger with Areca to get around the smaller cards with the fixed amount of cache.

Oh, btw, the reason you see a lot of LSI for the onboard stuff is because it appears that Adaptec and others have left the onboard market which got gobbled up by LSI. Also, Intel’s RAID controllers that are branded as Intel products are actually LSI (they’re 100% identical except for a sticker on a chip).

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Posted: 11 August 2009 10:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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OK!,

thx for quick answer. Now I am decided for ADAPTEC 3805. Price is acceptable (almost the same as Areca ARC-1220) and it seems to match my needs (mostly compatibility issues…for system drive I think I’m gonna use Intel G2 SSD or maybe OCZ Vertex). Oh, and BTW…

I’m waiting for an 3805 to arrive which I suspect won’t be as fast as the 51xxx ones but should probably do a decent enough job.

don’t forget to drop on forum some lines about it…performance, troubles…etc

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